this is your reminder about truth potions also, Asmodeus details: - traditional summonings with sigils and chants do nothing. asshole prefers for you to really mean it when you call for him. that's it - he doesn't come to you, you go to him - "So make the monochroming virus stop!" "If it was a virus, it'd be an easy fix." - has ability where anything done to him is turned back onto you. Bad End was equipped temporarily with this ability while under the influence. nearly stabbed myself in the face trying to stab his - "Yes, I want it fixed." "Unfortunate, because if you want it fixed, you'll have to do it. A Prince's violence is no surprise. Never going to win them back that way." - in answer to saying there's a catch: "Sure, there's more to it. I want a good set of demons at the end of this shit, not more of the goddamned Damned." - when making the offer, stated that the effects were not permanent (skeptical here because. demon)
at this point, brainwashing probably most likely happened. still remembered the q&a session: - confirmed Mukuro's Heaven vs Hell matches with Asmodeus's
Q: Why're you in such a rush to get more demons, then? Conquering Hell? A: Surprisingly off the mark. Strike One.
Q: Dare I ask what happens at strike three? A: I'd get sent back. "You're no good to me here."
Q: Are you just lonely? A: none given, seemed amused and explained the following about the Damned: The Damned are a waste. That's what this hole games between us (assuming Asmodeus and Pythia?) is based on. I ought to be able to guess why a whole faction would pose as working for a dead god. If the rest of hell thinks humans are beneath their notice and attention, that's all the more for Asmodeus's taking.
Q: Are you trying to see if the Damned can be reverse-engineered into humans and then made into demons? (this would be a pretty quick way to build an army...) A: Doing that is simple, just takes time and patience and is one at a time. Not a good model for business.
Q: So this whole arrangement isn't necessarily your design, who designed it? A: Strike Two
Q: Is there an option to get out of here without signing up with a demon? A: same old thing re: choose Pythia's lies or choose to become a demon under Asmodeus and he'll grant you your heart's desire, blah blah. made a point to say the Liar's false heaven had nothing for us
Q: Were we all Damned when we were brought here? Or were we just taken? A: mixed bag. Some of us he states were very much dead.
Q: Are you likely to answer another call like this or was this not entertaining enough (he made a comment about entertainment early on and i was feeling snarky i guess)? If you do answer, are you expecting something? A: "Let's call them hopes, expectations are a shade too far." In the future, people will have to pander. Can't count on another crisis with a whole batch of us on the line.
Q: Asked details about "pandering", since his area is Revengers of Wickedness, was he expecting an action? A tribute? Body parts? Death? A: "Vengeance victorious, these are the glorious days." he prefers we MEAN it
Q: Asked if there was any commonalities between who was brought into this group A: Mostly by chance. The game works best if there's an illusion of fairness in the playing field. If they need specific reps, they can hand-pick those. We'll notice those.
Q: Doubles situation--Mars and I aren't the same as other doubles, had to ask about it and whether it was coincidence. A: If it's not, "Pythia chose a trivial thing to break terms on."
Q: Do you even keep track of the idols? (wanted to know how much demon princes keep track of idols in general because it didn't seem likely they did since we're just commodities) A: For most, that'd be correct. "But once you catch my eye, the trick isn't keeping it."
Q: Has someone caught his eye? A: "You've seen him around."
Q: Is there an advantage to catching your eye prior to graduation? A: "I'm willing to make it worth the while."
Q: Asked for method of contact A: rejected
Q: Any final words of wisdom? A: Strike Three
And then I was booted back through a door that came out of nowhere.
CEO: There are some holes in their story here. CEO: If the Damned are a waste, then why does their perception determine whether idols exist in Hell? CEO: Obviously they didn't have this problem when they were doing things 1-on-1 in people's home worlds.
CEO: The shopkeeper mentioned that Azzy kept getting his minions stolen. CEO: And Mukuro said he had been through graduation multiple times. CEO: So what makes Azzy lose control of his own minions? CEO: And why does Hell need any more fucking demon hierarchy anyway?
Boss: he said God is dead Boss: there is no Heaven because God is dead Boss: maybe instead of ruling Hell, he plans to rule Heaven Boss: just spitballing with that Boss: but also it's Hell Boss: why the hell WOULDN'T it be full of obnoxiously complicated demon hierarchies?
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Boss: personal experience talking Boss: but he probably loses minions because his area requires a lot of dark passions in the heart Boss: anger, fury, rage, vengeance most profound, etc Boss: he probably loses a number of them because most of them start off severely wanting to kill him first and foremost
Boss: no idea one way or the other Boss: the thing Asmodeus seems to play in opposition to Pythia Boss: is why lie when the truth is likely terrible enough to draw you to his side? Boss: but also why nothing he says can really be trusted Boss: because. demon. Boss: but i do think Mukuro is a stockholm case for sure
CEO: You obviously don't feel enough hate then. CEO: But let's examine it from this angle. CEO: This whole stupid production is a power grab between Asmodeus and Pythia. CEO: Where we now know that Pythia is an established liar. CEO: And that her faction is at an obvious disadvantage. CEO: We still don't know what Pythia's winning conditions are. CEO: And only one of Asmodeus's - even if he doesn't get a demon out of the deal. CEO: Yet it was Exael who wanted us to find out about Asmodeus's existence. CEO: Why would she do that if she just knew it would blow their cover?
Boss: could be why she did it in the first place? Boss: there's always the possibility that she was once one of Asmodeus's Boss: and the "minions being stolen" is actually literal Boss: or it could be Exael's vying for Pythia's seat
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Boss: one detail i did leave out, in case you want to leave it out of the public-facing doc Boss: after i tried to stab him, he had me pinned against the wall Boss: he said: "Proactive. Angry, a few weeks more and maybe you would be on the mark. However, we don't have a few weeks, so you'll have to do." Boss: so you're not wrong about me not having enough hate
CEO: Because liars have to have some element of truth or relate-ability or they can't push their own fucking agenda. CEO: They want to win. CEO: Obviously they need us in some capacity to win. CEO: So it's just a matter of picking out the truth from the lies.
Boss: in this case Boss: the consistent inconsistencies Boss: we're pretty damn sure at this point that their heaven talk is bunk Boss: or else why would HSS be made to enforce the things the way Bad End was? Boss: their approach was different, but it was pretty much the same deal Boss: though i guess someone could argue Heaven isn't so different from Hell
CEO: Depends if she knows about it or not. CEO: I thought it was a Heaven and Hell thing--- CEO: But it's really demons don't like to share information with each other. CEO: Probably part of the power play dynamics.
Boss: great Boss: now i have to wonder if the bastard put a calling card or something in my head which the lying mcliarface can probably read Boss: though i guess there's always the possibility if Asmodeus's minions are real being stolen by other factions Boss: Pythia might try to grab at someone who's already summoned him once...
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Boss: i'm really hoping to get a break for a little while before more shenanigans with demons tho
Boss: i don't feel a sudden urge to summon him or want to deal with him, so i'm going with no Boss: but who knows how demons think about a mere mortal summoning one over the other
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Boss: and now i feel like i have to take 50 showers because i feel like i've got gross demon germs on me, thanks.
Day 68, also probably really fucking late at night
also, Asmodeus details:
- traditional summonings with sigils and chants do nothing. asshole prefers for you to really mean it when you call for him. that's it
- he doesn't come to you, you go to him
- "So make the monochroming virus stop!" "If it was a virus, it'd be an easy fix."
- has ability where anything done to him is turned back onto you. Bad End was equipped temporarily with this ability while under the influence. nearly stabbed myself in the face trying to stab his
- "Yes, I want it fixed." "Unfortunate, because if you want it fixed, you'll have to do it. A Prince's violence is no surprise. Never going to win them back that way."
- in answer to saying there's a catch: "Sure, there's more to it. I want a good set of demons at the end of this shit, not more of the goddamned Damned."
- when making the offer, stated that the effects were not permanent (skeptical here because. demon)
at this point, brainwashing probably most likely happened. still remembered the q&a session:
- confirmed Mukuro's Heaven vs Hell matches with Asmodeus's
Q: Why're you in such a rush to get more demons, then? Conquering Hell?
A: Surprisingly off the mark. Strike One.
Q: Dare I ask what happens at strike three?
A: I'd get sent back. "You're no good to me here."
Q: Are you just lonely?
A: none given, seemed amused and explained the following about the Damned: The Damned are a waste. That's what this hole games between us (assuming Asmodeus and Pythia?) is based on. I ought to be able to guess why a whole faction would pose as working for a dead god. If the rest of hell thinks humans are beneath their notice and attention, that's all the more for Asmodeus's taking.
Q: Are you trying to see if the Damned can be reverse-engineered into humans and then made into demons? (this would be a pretty quick way to build an army...)
A: Doing that is simple, just takes time and patience and is one at a time. Not a good model for business.
Q: So this whole arrangement isn't necessarily your design, who designed it?
A: Strike Two
Q: Is there an option to get out of here without signing up with a demon?
A: same old thing re: choose Pythia's lies or choose to become a demon under Asmodeus and he'll grant you your heart's desire, blah blah. made a point to say the Liar's false heaven had nothing for us
Q: Were we all Damned when we were brought here? Or were we just taken?
A: mixed bag. Some of us he states were very much dead.
Q: Are you likely to answer another call like this or was this not entertaining enough (he made a comment about entertainment early on and i was feeling snarky i guess)? If you do answer, are you expecting something?
A: "Let's call them hopes, expectations are a shade too far." In the future, people will have to pander. Can't count on another crisis with a whole batch of us on the line.
Q: Asked details about "pandering", since his area is Revengers of Wickedness, was he expecting an action? A tribute? Body parts? Death?
A: "Vengeance victorious, these are the glorious days." he prefers we MEAN it
Q: Asked if there was any commonalities between who was brought into this group
A: Mostly by chance. The game works best if there's an illusion of fairness in the playing field. If they need specific reps, they can hand-pick those. We'll notice those.
Q: Doubles situation--Mars and I aren't the same as other doubles, had to ask about it and whether it was coincidence.
A: If it's not, "Pythia chose a trivial thing to break terms on."
Q: Do you even keep track of the idols? (wanted to know how much demon princes keep track of idols in general because it didn't seem likely they did since we're just commodities)
A: For most, that'd be correct. "But once you catch my eye, the trick isn't keeping it."
Q: Has someone caught his eye?
A: "You've seen him around."
Q: Is there an advantage to catching your eye prior to graduation?
A: "I'm willing to make it worth the while."
Q: Asked for method of contact
A: rejected
Q: Any final words of wisdom?
A: Strike Three
And then I was booted back through a door that came out of nowhere.
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CEO: If the Damned are a waste, then why does their perception determine whether idols exist in Hell?
CEO: Obviously they didn't have this problem when they were doing things 1-on-1 in people's home worlds.
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Boss: not that that's very reassuring or anything
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CEO: And Mukuro said he had been through graduation multiple times.
CEO: So what makes Azzy lose control of his own minions?
CEO: And why does Hell need any more fucking demon hierarchy anyway?
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Boss: there is no Heaven because God is dead
Boss: maybe instead of ruling Hell, he plans to rule Heaven
Boss: just spitballing with that
Boss: but also it's Hell
Boss: why the hell WOULDN'T it be full of obnoxiously complicated demon hierarchies?
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Boss: personal experience talking
Boss: but he probably loses minions because his area requires a lot of dark passions in the heart
Boss: anger, fury, rage, vengeance most profound, etc
Boss: he probably loses a number of them because most of them start off severely wanting to kill him first and foremost
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Boss: the thing Asmodeus seems to play in opposition to Pythia
Boss: is why lie when the truth is likely terrible enough to draw you to his side?
Boss: but also why nothing he says can really be trusted
Boss: because. demon.
Boss: but i do think Mukuro is a stockholm case for sure
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CEO: But let's examine it from this angle.
CEO: This whole stupid production is a power grab between Asmodeus and Pythia.
CEO: Where we now know that Pythia is an established liar.
CEO: And that her faction is at an obvious disadvantage.
CEO: We still don't know what Pythia's winning conditions are.
CEO: And only one of Asmodeus's - even if he doesn't get a demon out of the deal.
CEO: Yet it was Exael who wanted us to find out about Asmodeus's existence.
CEO: Why would she do that if she just knew it would blow their cover?
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Boss: there's always the possibility that she was once one of Asmodeus's
Boss: and the "minions being stolen" is actually literal
Boss: or it could be Exael's vying for Pythia's seat
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Boss: one detail i did leave out, in case you want to leave it out of the public-facing doc
Boss: after i tried to stab him, he had me pinned against the wall
Boss: he said: "Proactive. Angry, a few weeks more and maybe you would be on the mark. However, we don't have a few weeks, so you'll have to do."
Boss: so you're not wrong about me not having enough hate
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CEO: Since Pythia and Exael both seem to have each other's backs.
[Intensity is typing...]
CEO: Ouch.
CEO: Even a demon Prince sees you as subpar.
CEO: That had to hurt.
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Boss: and why the hell would we take anything from that side at face value?
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CEO: They want to win.
CEO: Obviously they need us in some capacity to win.
CEO: So it's just a matter of picking out the truth from the lies.
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Boss: the consistent inconsistencies
Boss: we're pretty damn sure at this point that their heaven talk is bunk
Boss: or else why would HSS be made to enforce the things the way Bad End was?
Boss: their approach was different, but it was pretty much the same deal
Boss: though i guess someone could argue Heaven isn't so different from Hell
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CEO: See what happens.
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CEO: I thought it was a Heaven and Hell thing---
CEO: But it's really demons don't like to share information with each other.
CEO: Probably part of the power play dynamics.
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Boss: now i have to wonder if the bastard put a calling card or something in my head which the lying mcliarface can probably read
Boss: though i guess there's always the possibility if Asmodeus's minions are real being stolen by other factions
Boss: Pythia might try to grab at someone who's already summoned him once...
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Boss: i'm really hoping to get a break for a little while before more shenanigans with demons tho
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Boss: but who knows how demons think about a mere mortal summoning one over the other
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Boss: and now i feel like i have to take 50 showers because i feel like i've got gross demon germs on me, thanks.
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Boss: anyway, i'll let you decide if you want to do the truth potion thing and when
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Boss: mutual understanding?
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